Friday, April 22, 2011

Bible Thumped in Oklahoma

I just got finished writing a query to a very popular advice column. I doubt if I'll get any kind of a response from that venue, but I'd like to share my letter here and see what advice you all might have to offer.


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Neither my husband or I are religious, and we decided before having children that we would give our kids a well rounded religious education once they were old enough to understand that they have a choice in their beliefs.

That being said, our oldest daughter is 6 years old and is in kindergarten. A few weeks ago, she came home from school and told me that she'd asked her teacher about her cross necklace and her teacher responded that the cross reminds her of Jesus and how he died on the cross to be the one true lord and savior. While I disagreed with the fact that her teacher shared that with her, I understood that my daughter asked the question to begin with, inviting that answer.

Today, on Good Friday, my daughter came home from school and told me all about Easter and how Jesus died to absolve our sins and how we should praise God for sending us his only begotten son, etc. etc. etc. Her teacher told the entire class the story of Easter with her own religious belief embellishments added in. (I'd like to note that my daughter goes to public school.)

I'm angry and upset that such an authority figure would take time out of class to push her own religious agenda upon a group of impressionable 5 and 6 year olds, none of whom are old enough to realize that they can question her authority. I would like to take this issue up with the school, but I am not sure what exactly I should do.

Some friends have suggested obeying the chain of command and talking directly with the teacher first. I am afraid that if I do this, my daughter will be singled out as the kid with Hellbound parents. Other friends have suggested going directly to the principal or even the school board, but I don't want to get the teacher fired. Aside from this incident, we've never had any issue with the teacher and my daughter loves her.

I'm afraid that no matter what I do, the situation may not be resolved, as I live in the buckle of the Bible Belt and most people around here take complaints against their public religious beliefs as a personal offense or something to be shrugged off and laughed at.

So what do I do?

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wow, that is so upsetting!
I'm sorry you are now facing this situation.

I would talk directly to the teacher and based on her reaction either consider it done or go higher.

If I try to imagine myself in her position as a outspoken religious person, I would perhaps like a gentle warning from an outsider looking in and noticing I was breaking LAWS, and would heed them well.
I would recommend homeschooling - I am an atheist and wouldn't trust a school not to push all kinds of agendas. Sigh. I am so sorry this happened!
Erin, I know this doesn't fit with the stupidity of Gracie's teacher but... I was watching the news of the tornado watch / warning and thought of you. I'm sending happy thoughts your way.

Rich (aka Richard Cranium)
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Concerned Parent · 712 weeks ago

This post is extremely disturbing to me on many levels. First of all i must say that I am shocked that you out of all people have an issue with Jesus Christ. When i met you many years ago you had a love for Christ that only i could envy. Now on to the posting. Help me to understand here. Your daughters teacher was asked by your daughter about a cross necklace and your teacher gave her opinion about how it reminded her of Jesus, to me that is awesome that this teacher has the cahunas to stand up for what he/she believes in. By telling your daughter what he/she thought the cross represented is not "Bible Thumping" her/his beliefs on your kid, i mean you make it sound like she took her aside in the bathroom and made her read 50 pages of Luke, Matthew and John before she could continue her day? Come on. Secondly, you are trying to be mad/concerned about the fact that this teacher told the TRUE story of Easter? Do you know the background of Easter? In order to TELL the story of Easter, one must include the FACTS about Easter which include JESUS CHRIST (and the FACT that he is OUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOUR)...right? If you are going to complain about that, the you must complain about EVERY holiday that is discussed in the classroom especially CHRISTMAS. Make sure you get that put on the agenda when you go to complain to whoever at the school. Im not a BIBLE THUMPER by i do know that JESUS CHRIST died for MY SINS as well as EVERYONE elses sins who reads this and im PROUD to know that someone will do the LORDS work in this country. I pray that you as well as your family and all your responders, including the atheist (whom GOD loves just as much as his own SON), that you eyes are opened up to the light of the Lord and that you can no longer be blinded by the fact that the you are a child of GOD. The DEVIL has control of your lives and he is here to KILL, STEAL and DESTROY you, whereas JESUS WANTS you to live in ETERNAL LIFE with him in SALVATION! So give your kids a fighting chance to make that decision on their own before you go forcing the latter on them and dooming them for ETERNITY. God Bless you, and JESUS loves every one of you.
First of all, if you're going to address me as someone who knows me, or once knew me, I would appreciate the respect of knowing who you are. Please don't hide behind an anonymous name of "Concerned Parent," and then talk to me with familiarity. I have no idea who you are and don't have the option to reply with any knowledge of our past relationship.

Second, I don't particularly take issue with Gracie's teacher responding to her question regarding her necklace. My daughter posed a question and her teacher responded in a means she felt to be appropriate.

Here is what I take issue with: My daughter is 6 years old and still views authority figures like her teacher as having a final say in what she believes. Her teacher wasn't presenting her BELIEFS about Jesus Christ and Christianity as such, but as FACTS. And, just to clarify, the meaning of the word fact is something that you can give proof for. Now, I'm not here to start an argument as to whether or not Jesus really existed or whether or not what the Bible says is true. I'm merely posing the argument that 1 - her teacher has no right to provide children with information based on belief and not fact as fact, and 2 - while you may believe this all to be fact, I do not, as I have not seen any proof for it. I'm sorry if that offends you, but perhaps you have me wrong.

As I was saying, Gracie still views authority figures as having a final say in what she believes. If her teacher were to tell her that the grass grows because Santa Claus tells it to, she'd believe that. She hasn't reached the age where she questions authority yet. I find it highly offensive that her teacher abused that authority to push her own agenda when talking about Easter. It would be one thing if Gracie had come home and told me that she learned in school that some people believe that Christ was crucified for our sins and rose 3 days later, etc, but she came home saying, "Hey mom! Jesus is the one true lord and savior! My teacher told me so!" Her teacher has NO RIGHT to tell my daughter what to believe in that aspect, and we have the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to a little thing called SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE for this specific reason.

I have no issue with my daughter being educated about different religious holidays and the reasons that people celebrate them. What I take issue with is when figures of authority take it upon themselves to push their agenda by adding their own embellishments about how these BELIEFS are TRUTHS when THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW.

And again, if you choose to respond here, please don't address me as if you know me if you're not going to grant me the respect of knowing who you are.
One more thing: I just want to clarify my thoughts on what my children choose to believe. I will fully support and stand behind whatever my children choose to believe. However, if Gracie chooses to follow the path of Christianity (for example), I want her to do so because God has shown Himself to her and she believes in Him for herself - not because her teacher told her that's what's right to believe in. Faith in God is not believing what your teacher or your mother or your friends or whoever tells you about God just because you trust that person's authority, and as someone who believes in God, I hope you'll understand what I mean here. I want Gracie's faith, should she choose that for herself, to be a true faith, based not on the words of others, but on what she's felt to be true for herself.

I have chosen not to indoctrinate my children, but rather, I am allowing them the education of multiple religions, presenting them as exactly what they are: beliefs. If my kids choose to follow one of those beliefs, more power to them. If they choose not to, that's great too. I just don't want them blindly following everyone's lead because they want to be accepted, etc.
I have only one response to this, and it will be fairly simple. Your logic that you have NEVER seen FACT that Jesus Christ existed, or exists today in your life and in the world today is...well....a LIE that you are telling yourself and everyone around you. Do you think that all the miraculous things that have happened in your life over the years are just random and that you happened to get "lucky" in certain circumstances? Moreover, you say that you have never SEEN Jesus Christ so you don't believe in him right? Have you ever seen the Air? it is there right? But wait, you have not Proof that it exists because you have never seen it, therefore Air does not Exist in your world...correct. In order to be received in to the kingdom of Heaven the whole principal is that you must BELIEVE even when you can't or have never seen the maker or his work. There is Proof that there is a God and there is proof that there is a Hell and there is proof that there will come a day when you die and you will be judged for your life on earth, so it is up to you to decide where you want to be when you die. In Hell for eternity or in Heaven for eternity. You choose what you will, but give your kids a fighting chance to enjoy the bounties that Jesus Christ laid forth for us, and learn the TRUTH. I will pray that you and your family open your eyes and your heart, and that you can no longer be blinded by society and what society wants you to believe but rather have you see what and why we are on this Earth living for. God Bless
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Jesus Loves you MORE · 710 weeks ago

Were you to afraid to post my last comment? I am done wasting my time on you. God be with you and your family.
My apologies, Coady, for not responding sooner, as I only just now saw your response. While I will say that it's nice to hear from you, I'll also say that I'm not really in the mood to argue your proof of God's existence.

I would like to note, however, that not once did I state that I don't believe in God. I said that I'm not religious, but that doesn't mean that I don't believe in anything.

To be honest with you, I don't know what to believe in, and I feel like a lot of the reason behind that is that I was spoon-fed that Christ is our Lord and one true savior and I feel a little bit betrayed by the fact that I wasn't given the opportunity to find that for myself.

I want to believe in God and I try to find reason to in every day that I live. I pray for signs, I pray for a feeling, I pray that He will speak to me in some way, no matter how indirect it may be, to let me know that he is there. There are some days that I do believe, but there are others when I am not so sure, and others still that I downright refuse to believe that any loving and benevolent creator could possibly allow the things going on in our world to continue.

There are a few things that I know in my heart to be true:

--Blind faith is of no use to me. I feel like there is no point in having faith if you can't challenge it and come out the other side still believing. Like I have said above, some days I come out of my challenges feeling a renewed faith, and others I am discouraged. But I will continue to come back because there is always a question in my heart as to whether or not something is out there.

--If there is a God, which I do truly hope that there is, I believe that he is loving - unconditionally loving - and understands and forgives me for stumbling. I also believe that if He is really there, he would want his followers to feel the same way for those of us who are still trying to find our way. He would not want them to turn their backs on us, but instead to turn their cheek and pray that our feet find the path.

I heard that you had a daughter recently, and I am sure that you are and will be a wonderful parent to her. I don't know if anyone is listening, but I will pray that your heart be a little more open, your mind be a little more understanding, and your tone be a little less cold, because if there is one thing that having children has taught me it's that everything you have ever believed will be challenged, and you will need those things to come clean on the other side.

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